nicklinjm wrote:Sure, I can see he is using some taiji techniques (kao, ti fang, etc) in the encounter. However what I don't see is any evidence of taiji jin - is he using any pengjin? Is there any moment where his opponent tries to move Wang but is unable to due to rooting?
Most of the times when he 'gets' the practice partner are pure shuai jiao throws (not saying they are bad throws, just a shuai jiao guy would do them in exactly the same way with the same mechanics).
I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't see much taiji skill on display.
yeniseri wrote:So I came upon this interesting sample of Wang Yan at a workshop/seminar a few years back and his style
(combat applications) reminds me of Chen Yu, and Ren Guangyi. Wang Yan's level of neutralization and 'sinking
into emptiness' through structural and sensory (ting jin) is a skill that I have never been able to duplicate so I
remain amazed at my low level of nothingness and laziness.
The choice of words in describing the opponent as 'forcing an issue' while attempting to overcome a thing shows
a wall that is usually thrown up and not being able to read the others' resilience or manner of relating to the unknow, is seen
very plainly
yeniseri wrote:So I came upon this interesting sample of Wang Yan at a workshop/seminar a few years back and his style
(combat applications) reminds me of Chen Yu, and Ren Guangyi. Wang Yan's level of neutralization and 'sinking
into emptiness' through structural and sensory (ting jin) is a skill that I have never been able to duplicate so I
remain amazed at my low level of nothingness and laziness.
The choice of words in describing the opponent as 'forcing an issue' while attempting to overcome a thing shows
a wall that is usually thrown up and not being able to read the others' resilience or manner of relating to the unknow, is seen
very plainly
GrahamB wrote:I really don't buy the narrative given by the commentator that the Caucasian guy is not feeling anything or just trying random stuff blindly. He clearly is trying to do things that are appropriate to the moment, but the Chinese guy is just better at it.
I would also call this wrestling not push hands.
twocircles13 wrote:yeniseri wrote:So I came upon this interesting sample of Wang Yan at a workshop/seminar a few years back and his style
(combat applications) reminds me of Chen Yu, and Ren Guangyi. Wang Yan's level of neutralization and 'sinking
into emptiness' through structural and sensory (ting jin) is a skill that I have never been able to duplicate so I
remain amazed at my low level of nothingness and laziness.
The choice of words in describing the opponent as 'forcing an issue' while attempting to overcome a thing shows
a wall that is usually thrown up and not being able to read the others' resilience or manner of relating to the unknow, is seen
very plainly
These kinds of challenges or demonstrations are not meant to show the subtleties of Taijiquan. This is taiji-marketing. "Look how awesome you can be if follow our system.” The unfortunate thing is with that setup, the “expert,” for lack of a better word, has to prove themselves by winning.
As the “expert,” you don’t always know how skilled, fast, or strong your opponent is, so you have to take advantage of the opportunities offered, take short cuts and often demonstrate a lower level of skill than you actually possess. The caucasian clearly has some tournament style push hands experience, so Wang Yan doesn’t give him an opportunity to gain an advantage.
I would call this upper low skill level. There are some taijiquan principles shown, but much of it is sloppily executed and seems to get worse as it goes along. There is certainly no teaching or training shown, just domination.
As you can tell, I don’t care for this kind of demo.
D_Glenn wrote:I see what gets ingrained into one’s body when they have learned to Bao Fali. That’s the elephant in the room. Yang style guys will never be able to replicate what he’s doing.
origami_itto wrote:Why use your own force when there's so much laying around free for the taking?
origami_itto wrote:D_Glenn wrote:I see what gets ingrained into one’s body when they have learned to Bao Fali. That’s the elephant in the room. Yang style guys will never be able to replicate what he’s doing.
Maaaann, and we were getting along so well, lmfao.
Steve James wrote:Yang tcc guys won't get what? My friend Mario's a CMC guy.
D_Glenn wrote:Thanks for posting an even greater, more clear cut difference between the Whole Body Methods of Yang and Chen. Yang Luchan learned Chen style but the Apple has since fallen so far from the tree that it has now turned into an Orange.
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