edededed wrote:I tried for a while, but it's actually quite hard. Here is my current form (version 0.1).
1. Enter to intercept (grab/zuan)
2. Downward strike (pi)
3. Parry down
4. Straight/level strike (beng/)
5. Parry up
6. Upward strike (pao/chongchui)
johnwang wrote:Can you create a new form that meet the following requirements?
1. Move 1 set up move 2, move 2 set up move 3, ...
2. All basic punches are included.
3. All basic kicks are included.
4. All basic blocks are included.
5. No duplicated technique.
6. Between 16 to 20 moves.
The 1st requirement could be the most challenged. The 5th requirement can also be challenged. Would you like to try to create one and share your creation here?
twocircles13 wrote:Well, you're not looking for a taijiquan form with those requirements.
twocircles13 wrote:Move 1 fails, go to Move 2.
johnwang wrote:twocircles13 wrote:Well, you're not looking for a taijiquan form with those requirements.
If you have cross trained Taiji, Xing Yi, long fist, praying mantis, when you create a self-training form, why do you want it to be a Taiji form, Xing Yi form, long fist form, or praying mantis form? Should you create a mixed form instead?twocircles13 wrote:Move 1 fails, go to Move 2.
That's exactly what I mean. If your 1st technique kills your opponent, you don't need the 2nd technique.
In this clip, the 1st technique shin bite fails. The 2nd technique reverse shin bite also fails. the 3rd technique foot sweep succeeds. Your technique fails because your opponent steps back, of because he blocks your attack.
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At 1.40, his foot sweep fail, he continues with next throw. So, if we start from
shin bite - reverse shin bite - foot sweep - front cut - ...
A throwing form that move 1 set up move 2, move 2 set up move 3, ... can be created.
Why do you want to do this? Because so far nobody has ever done this before.
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I have tried to do this almost 30 years ago.
1. 扣 Knee seizing (KOU)
2. 踢 Forward kick (TI)
3. 撿 Foot picking (JIAN)
4. 彈 Spring (TAN)
5. 掛 Inner heel sweep (GUA)
6. 管 Control (GUAN)
7. 刀 Inner sickle (DAO)
8. 揣 Overhead (CHUAI)
9. 切 Front cut (QIE)
10. 挑 Hooking kick (TIAO)
11. 蹩 Block (BIE),
12. 纏 Twist (CHAN),
13. 搵 Waist Lift (WEN),
14. 合 Inner hook (HE)
15. 摟 Outer Hook (LOU)
16. 掰 Split (BAI)
17. 掏 Inner knee seizing (TAO)
18. 裏 Back inner hook (LI)
19. 撞 Trunk hitting (ZHUANG)
20. 靠 Advance squeeze (KAO)
21. 崩 Cracking (BENG)
22. 挽 Send forward (WAN)
23. 捆 Tie (KUN)
24. 抱 Embrace (BAO)
twocircles13 wrote:I see no reason to reinvent the wheel.
johnwang wrote:twocircles13 wrote:I see no reason to reinvent the wheel.
I look at this as a challenge whether I can do this or not. To throw a punch toward east and then to throw a punch toward north is easy. To use move n to set up move n + 1 is not easy. You have to understand how your opponent may counter your move n. It forces you to think much deeper.
For example, you may understand how to use "single whip". But not everybody may understand how to counter "single whip".
origami_itto wrote:I forget which what the "wide" vs "narrow" art is, but really, ultimately, Taijiquan is the kind that is based on a small number of principles, not a large vocabulary of attacks and counters.
An infinite number of counters arise from the principles, but pinning them down into "when they do this, I do this" will pigeonhole you.
Which is great for specialization, not gonna lie.
“A “narrow” system is one that specifies a particular response for a particular attack. So for every possible attack, there is a specific response.
And because there are a great many possible attacks, there are also a great may specific techniques to counter them. With “narrow” systems, you have A LOT of techniques — like the proverbial 108 hand techniques, for instance.
A “wide” system has much fewer techniques, but looks to the changes possible for each of them. So for instance, you might only have 5 or 6 basic punches… but many “changes” associated with those punches. See also Baqua, with it’s emphasis on changes.
The way to learn how to use a wide system (like White Crane) is then to gain experience with using the limited number of techniques you have available, in a wide assortment of attacks. In other words, you have to use the techniques in sparring… a lot of sparing… so you can learn how a single punch can be used against multiple attack patterns”
Mike Staples
windwalker wrote: A “wide” system has much fewer techniques, but looks to the changes possible for each of them.
johnwang wrote:windwalker wrote: A “wide” system has much fewer techniques, but looks to the changes possible for each of them.
When your opponent sweeps your leg, you can
- bend knee and let his sweeping foot to pass under.
- change into a bow-arrow stance and use your shin bone to meet his sweeping leg.
So, you have at least 2 different counters for foot sweep.
When your opponent applies head lock on you, you can
- use your free hand to wipe his forehead to force his head to bend back.
- crack his waist wrapping arm.
- stick your body behind his body.
- push his leg behind his knee and force him down.
- spin your body with him and drag him down to the ground.
- move your body in front of him and apply hip throw on him.
- ...
So you have at least 6 different ways to counter a head lock.
There are over 230 different throws. The total number of counters can be over 800. A counter for foot sweep won't work to counter a head lock.
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