fa jin

[somatai]

....to me fa jin is a means to train and express power as well as a way of demonstrating ones ability to go from empty to full.....in xylhq every thing we train is to train it, to build something, usage is free and non dogmatic, but entirely dependant upon the quality of body you have built from the practice.

would love to see other expressions from rsf folks

[jonathan.bluestein]

You're going up in height, right? It's interesting as in XYQ, we usually (though not always) drop in height somehow with Fa Jin movements...

[somatai]

correct, we drive from the foot through the legs, compress down, release up

[scottneather]

I am not at all familiar with this method so please forgive my ignorance, but is this means of generating power used in combat? you have a considerable "wind up" period before you let go, is the idea to reduce that over time until you can just let go instantly?

I ask because I am currently stuck in oscillation between "no oomph" and "telegraphing power".

[somatai]

the wind up and the practice is the means of building the power and connection, in usage it is free, no wind up, power is in the hands at any point......but the wind up itself is training in that there is power going back which is what is released, the wind up is the way you strengthen and develop it is the yang part of the exercise, the release is empty and effortless

[scottneather]

thanks you replied before I finished editing my post. I think I should be looking into this method more. is xylhq spelled out as "xing yi liu he quan"?

[Josealb]

You're going up in height, right? It's interesting as in XYQ, we usually (though not always) drop in height somehow with Fa Jin movements...

In the XYQ ive seen, its possible to either go up or go down. I find that going up works best in close distance and when the back leg doesnt move (both legs draw from the ground up), while going down is when the body drops forward, and a back follow step is needed. The spine can coil and uncoil both ways, you know.

Scott,

It may look ilke a wind up in practice, but in application, there is also fa jin when his hands come close to the body in contraction, so the "wind up" can basically be applied as well. Its spelled "Xin Yi Liu He Quan"..emphasis on the Xin.

If i get some time this week, ill film a little something along this lines. Ill keep it in Hu Xing also.

[brendo]

the last position you demonstrated kinda reminded me of a more direct version of "linking canons" from the xinyi hunyuan chen style taiji, might be fun to play with the more extreme wind-up (in linking canons, stepping up and closing the hip with the fa), the more direct way you demonstrate, and then an even more direct fa from static posture, transitioning from "long energy" to short.

[Walk the Torque]

its possible to either go up or go down.

If you put the two together, can you not turn it into an eliptical rolling ball of death?

[Overlord]

You're going up in height, right? It's interesting as in XYQ, we usually (though not always) drop in height somehow with Fa Jin movements...

Hi Jonathan,

There are two types of fajing in Xinyi, as Li Xinming 李新民 explained in his book《心意六合拳》Xinyi LIuhe Quan:

One is upward Zuan. The other one is downward Pi.

And there is combination of both with horizontal jing. (This is my understanding).

Over

[charles]

the last position you demonstrated kinda reminded me of a more direct version of "linking canons" from the xinyi hunyuan chen style taiji...

I see next to zero resemblance. Maybe it's just me.

[D_Glenn]

Here's a clip I had sitting on my computer. It's old though, filmed it around 2006.

This is the Basic Direction Changing Method (換式法 huan shi fa) for the Crab System (蟹形 Xiè Xing). A Baguazhang Animal System that was created by Dong Haichuan specifically for 马贵 Ma Gui because he was so short (about 4'10" tall).




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[brendo]

@ Charles: You're right, and of course its same side in the chen whereas here he is crossing /springing up from the left, but the thing that made me think of it was how in the video, the focus went laterally, giving the appearance of being generated at the shoulder. Linking Cannons feels like slamming a door to me, the arms come from behind and to the side, then as weight comes forward, the right hip closes - but of course the weight settles into position as the fa happens in the chen, rather than bouncing upwards here.

[D_Glenn]

You're going up in height, right? It's interesting as in XYQ, we usually (though not always) drop in height somehow with Fa Jin movements...

Hi Jonathan,

There are two types of fajing in Xinyi...

These 2 types are also called 'bolang jin' (breaking wave) and 'fanlang jin' (returning wave).

Several years ago forum member Dai_Boxer described how in Xinyi they first learn 'fanlang jin'.

In other CMAs, including Baguazhang and Xing Yi Quan, they seek to first learn 'bolang jin' and then years later learn how to 'fanlang jin'.

In my clip above I'm only using 'bolang jin'.

FWIW

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[charles]

the arms come from behind and to the side, then as weight comes forward, the right hip closes ...

Not as I learned it. The hips don't close.

In non-Hunyuan versions, the arms don't come from behind, they stay in front. But, we're straying from the topic.