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Re: Chinese Tense and the three body problem

PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 6:41 am
by everything
Lol how is this show if it’s hard to follow?

Just started watching Succession

Re: Chinese Tense and the three body problem

PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 6:59 am
by origami_itto
everything wrote:Lol how is this show if it’s hard to follow?

Just started watching Succession


I think it's good... maybe? The acting seems okay but it's hard to tell with a foreign language.

The budget is pretty good and I'm loving the subtle cultural differences in attitudes and approaches.

Though at one point in the first or second episode one of the characters is talking on a bluetooth headset and it's flashing blue and red indicating it's still in pairing mode.

I'm enjoying it, I watch an episode in the tub when I wake up too early. Almost done. Then back to the Gundam series.

Re: Chinese Tense and the three body problem

PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 7:40 am
by Steve James
origami_itto wrote:"If anything happens, took care of my children. "

Also confirmed they did nor have the satellite.


The first one looks like a common mistake among speakers of English as a second language. We tend to prefer verb tenses to agree, but this doesn't work for languages where verbs don't have tenses. If a computer tries to translate from the latter to the former, it can't tell which tense should be used; so it uses both. If it was a human translator, otoh, it looks like some student papers. The second example looks like a typo which a computer wouldn't make.

Re: Chinese Tense and the three body problem

PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 8:29 am
by origami_itto
Steve James wrote:
origami_itto wrote:"If anything happens, took care of my children. "

Also confirmed they did nor have the satellite.


The first one looks like a common mistake among speakers of English as a second language. We tend to prefer verb tenses to agree, but this doesn't work for languages where verbs don't have tenses. If a computer tries to translate from the latter to the former, it can't tell which tense should be used; so it uses both. If it was a human translator, otoh, it looks like some student papers. The second example looks like a typo which a computer wouldn't make.


The second sentence there WAS a typo, by me. :D I see my wording was confusing. This is what I meant and I've changed it.

Also confirmed they did not have the satellite when the Caucasian actor speaking English (but who may have been some flavor of Eastern European or another) said "We captured the satellite as soon as possible and began our investigations." Like the next scene was the satellite zooming around and somebody saying "we're closing in on it"

Re: Chinese Tense and the three body problem

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:50 am
by vadaga
Bhassler wrote:A writer friend of mine was hired to work on the Japanese version of American Ninja Warrior (no idea which came first, or what it was called in Japanese).


The Japanese version came first, it is called 'Sasuke'

Re: Chinese Tense and the three body problem

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:33 am
by Steve James
vadaga wrote:
Bhassler wrote:A writer friend of mine was hired to work on the Japanese version of American Ninja Warrior (no idea which came first, or what it was called in Japanese).


The Japanese version came first, it is called 'Sasuke'


Watched Sasuke with my grandson in the early 2000s on G4. I remember the fisherman, the fireman, and the octopus guy from the first seasons. Afa the translations, :), they didn't matter. There was no way to know what was actually being said in Japanese.

Re: Chinese Tense and the three body problem

PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 6:42 pm
by everything
seen the movie?

Re: Chinese Tense and the three body problem

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 5:52 am
by everything
edit: netflix series with sneak peak out at alamo, apparently

Re: Chinese Tense and the three body problem

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 7:31 am
by origami_itto
everything wrote:edit: netflix series with sneak peak out at alamo, apparently

I'm interested in seeing it.
The chinese version was like 30 episodes and still had more story, Netflix has 8 soooooooooooooooo...

Re: Chinese Tense and the three body problem

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 10:30 am
by everything
oof. maybe i'll start with netflix one in that case

Re: Chinese Tense and the three body problem

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:55 pm
by GrahamB
I don’t really know anything about 3 body problem but the science fiction groups I’m in all seem to think that it’s toxic. It makes the case for fascism being the best type of government, or something like that. Basically, Chinese gov propaganda.

Re: Chinese Tense and the three body problem

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:49 pm
by origami_itto
Well it's best to let the group figure that out for us. Spare us the trouble of doing all that pesky thinking on our own.

Re: Chinese Tense and the three body problem

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:15 pm
by everything
ugh if that's the case, but i'm hear for escapism-no brain tv-as-drugs. no brain space for thinking

Re: Chinese Tense and the three body problem

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 3:20 pm
by origami_itto
Well what I got from the story was that the bad things happened because of how the Army did business. I'm sure I missed the fascism.

Re: Chinese Tense and the three body problem

PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:01 am
by GrahamB
There is no real free press in China, so maybe the author just did what they had to do to get published. Also read this:

"The Chinese tvshow started interesting, but had way too much focus on mundane personal melodrama later on. I expect the Netflix show will shove a lot of that in as well, since that's what mainstream viewers need to stay interested.
As for the state propaganda in the novels, this had less propaganda than the average US novel does. (the overwhelming amount of "roorah USA big damn heroes" propaganda in most US novels might not be obvious to americans, but the rest of us can clearly see it.) Just because it's China instead of the US doing the fighting for humanity for once doesn't mean it's immediately propaganda. And the message is quite anti-authoritarian and fairly critical, insomuch as the author could get away with without getting arrested. I'm honestly surprised it even got published, given how subtly critical it actually is. "

Her point about US Propaganda is well made.