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The "I tried Tai Chi and it's not what I expected" video

PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 1:47 am
by GrahamB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0ZSTWEYihA



Nicely made video.

Some observations:

1) These guys probably also do kung fu and MMA/grappling/San Da of some kind - you can tell from the dojo! They're training hard and seriously.

2) I quite like the emphasis on feeling - bang on.

3) The dude correctly identifies that push hands competitions are very very similar to Sumo. And if you're good at Sumo then you should be good at this.

4) Fascinating insight into teaching - the dude seems to do a few things that are "wrong" according to Tai Chi, but are working (i.e. sticking his butt out and leaning forward) however, he gets corrected by the instructor to stop doing that - I just find that interesting. The "Stop cheating, it makes you win!" mentality is rife all over the Tai Chi world. One of the reasons I avoid push hands with people unless the conditions are right (i.e they are the right sort of person). I much prefer the "Hey, if it works, then it works! - it's up to you to figure out what I'm doing and stop me" mentality of BJJ.

5) In the end, the better wrestler would win that exchange (where they are doing the 'foot outside the square' push hands). Learn some wrestling :)

6) I really like this coach - he's clearly skilled, but competitive push hands is the problem - even this coach gets super tense when under pressure because of the needs to win. I just think that it's better as a training exercise for learning TCC skills - when it gets competitive, it all goes out the window (unless you are very, very very very good).

Re: The "I tried Tai Chi and it's not what I expected" video

PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 3:09 am
by origami_itto
Yes, competitive push hands is the exact opposite of investing in loss. Makes you train for the game.

"Stop cheating it makes you win" is exactly right. The point isn't to win a game it's to get a skill. The game's structure and goals supplant the structure and goals of the art.

Re: The "I tried Tai Chi and it's not what I expected" video

PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 9:07 am
by everything
If people think taijiquan is judo … why not go to judo? It’s a great art/sport.

Or the most popular wrestling format with the highest quality they can find nearby…

Worked for Jones, Fedor, Rousey, etc…

Just feels like more stupid click bait, even if he had some interesting “findings”

Re: The "I tried Tai Chi and it's not what I expected" video

PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:35 am
by wayne hansen
Didn’t he say he came second in the US sumo championships
If so he should have whiped the floor with those guys
It was just poor quality bull at a gate stuff

Re: The "I tried Tai Chi and it's not what I expected" video

PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:36 pm
by Bao
It's one of those places you can visit to see if you have learned enough to stay relaxed and handle brute strength.

Re: The "I tried Tai Chi and it's not what I expected" video

PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 3:11 am
by GrahamB
wayne hansen wrote:Didn’t he say he came second in the US sumo championships
If so he should have whiped the floor with those guys
It was just poor quality bull at a gate stuff



wAiN! The floor took a damn good whipping - didn't you see? Within an inch of its life, I'd say.

It was more like a bull in a China shop. (AMIRITE? Come on, that's good! ;D )

Re: The "I tried Tai Chi and it's not what I expected" video

PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 10:54 am
by windwalker


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