Jake Mace meets Master Ken

[slowEdie]

If you stick your head in the sand in response
to the rising tide of moral relativism
it's bound to bite you on the arse..

[Dmitri]

moral relativism

That's not a bad thing; it needs neither to be hidden from, nor to be fought against, IMO. Morality is naturally "relative", no matter how hard we might try to pretend or wishfully-think that it isn't. (And if you hold on to pretending too hard, that'll bite you on the arse at least as painfully. )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_morality

[windwalker]

I've met Jake in person at his home here in AZ. Shaolin-Do will always be Shaolin-Do, but I can tell you, that if nothing else, he LIVES his ideals. He's out there doing it, day in and day out.

you mean he's not posting his clips here trying to convince others of what it is or is not

He's out there doing it

while his detractors are doing what?

oh ya posting his clips here so they can
say what they'er not doing....makes sense

[slowEdie]

If you want to play with the semantics of "moral relativism" Yes
All under heaven know good as good only because of evil, familiar.
What I'm referring to is the moral relativism that accompanies anti-intellectualism and gives equal valence to idiot views merely because they have some adherents and is exemplified in turning a blind eye to female genital mutilation and forced marriages because "it's their culture" or domestic violence because "boys will be boys" or some idiot selling shit because he believes it, and his mom has faith in him.

[Mr_Wood]

wow, who would have thought a fake mace and master ken thread would have depth.

All is not as it seems

[greytowhite]

My sifu would love to have Jake Mace as a student because the guy works hard on what he does. One of my gong fu brothers says Jake's true gong fu lies in marketing and gardening.

[grzegorz]

I've met Jake in person at his home here in AZ. Shaolin-Do will always be Shaolin-Do, but I can tell you, that if nothing else, he LIVES his ideals. He's out there doing it, day in and day out.

I've met him too. A good guy and a hard worker.

People may not like his martial arts and that's fine but they should know that he isn't a bad guy.

[Bao]

My sifu would love to have Jake Mace as a student because the guy works hard on what he does.

that if nothing else, he LIVES his ideals. He's out there doing it, day in and day out.

I've met him too. A good guy and a hard worker.

... Have you guys actually watched his vids? He works hard on what?

I know plenty of people who have worked hard on their art their whole life. But looking at them, hard wudoesn't mean anything.

[Dmitri]

"Working hard" is undoubtedly a great merit of its own. And I'd say he does know exactly what he's working on.

[Bao]

. And I'd say he does know exactly what he's working on.

So, you who understand him better than me, tell me what he's working on.
Have you watched his favorite 10 Kung Fu stances? If not, watch it and tell me what he works on there. It's not something that even have a close resemblance to anything you work on in TCMA, I can tell so much.

[willie]

there is no 5 easy steps.
right from first touch should be complete control. paper doll.
then there's a progression.

[grzegorz]

I wasn't commenting on his videos just the person I met as a person.

[Dmitri]

tell me what he's working on

On exactly what you're seeing him do. Whether it is "correct" was not my point; I was addressing your sentiment "hard work doesn't mean anything"

I've seen plenty of people practicing tai chi forms for competitions, some not even doing basic PH, and it's not my cup of tea at all, but I'd never say that their efforts are meaningless, or that they don't know what they're working on.

[Bao]

tell me what he's working on

On exactly what you're seeing him do. Whether it is "correct" was not my point; I was addressing your sentiment "hard work doesn't mean anything"

I've seen plenty of people practicing tai chi forms for competitions, some not even doing basic PH, and it's not my cup of tea at all, but I'd never say that their efforts are meaningless, or that they don't know what they're working on.

If you don't know what you are doing, hard work means nothing. IMA might be rather harmless, but you can think about many other examples. How many scientist like chemists have killed themselves due to experimenting and not knowing what they do. The man in question looks better in the mirror than I ever could and is more flexible than I will ever be. If he works hard on his body and looking good, cudos for him. But if you take a look at his ten favorite Kung fu stances and say that he knows what he does, i.e. in terms of practicing Traditional Chinese Martial Arts, you might be just as clueless as him. If you work hard with no knowledge of foundation whatsoever, you still build nothing through all hard work anyone possibly could do.