彈 (Tan) - Spring

[johnwang]

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If you use your right leg to "spring" your opponent's left leg back into a right leg forward bow-arrow stance then your opponent may not be able to pull you back like this. You can spring your opponent's leg back or sideway so he cannot put much weight on that leg.

Which move in Judo will be equivalent to the "spring"? Anybody who train Judo may like to share some information here?

[wiesiek]

what exactly do you mean by "spring"?

speakin` of vid.:
this is "sambo type" attack and bacically is best as a counter,
if somebody is trying to attack you this way:
- do not allow him to fully establisch belt control
- use "swallow counter" - remove legs from line of attack and lift the right leg + make circle /kosoto gari/
this move will sweep away his attack

[wiesiek]

ps
i was attacked many times this way by sambo players - they love to go lo., pull and hook the legs
if you allow for good belt grip...
well
let`s say that this is VERY hard not to hit the ground

[johnwang]

In SC the counter is similiar that your left hand surround your opponent'w waist, spin with him, hook your left leg on his left leg, and push his neck back with your right hand. You can call it "lead your opponent into the emptiness". The difference is you still remain balance after that. If you do this Judo counter in SC, since your body touch the ground first, you lose that round already.

what exactly do you mean by "spring"?

You raise your right leg in a golden rooster stance. You kick your right leg back and land as bow-arrow stance. Your right leg come down and back in a 45 degree angle, hit on your opponent's upper left leg, and act as a "widget" and spring your opponent's left leg back. This is backward spring. To spring sideway, you use the outside edge of your right foot to spring the inside edge of your opponent's left foot when you are facing him.

The backward "spring" can be seen at 0.10 and 0.27 in the following clip. I didn't know how to use "spring" when I trained the LF system. The application became clear to me until I trained in SC. Since the backward spring may have chance to hurt your opponent's knee, not sure it's legal to use it in Judo.

http://johnswang.com/my_mai_fu_1.wmv

[DeusTrismegistus]

Backward spring is one of my favorite moves. Being taller when I get in a position side by side but in front of my opponent/partner it is hard to do a lot of throws because they can get lower easier. It is easy to spring back which I usually follow with a leg biting with the same leg a I sprang with followed by an ankle pick. I learned the combo from my teacher because he always uses it on me.

[johnwang]

spring back which I usually follow with a leg biting.

I'll call that "lazy man's combo" because you don't need to carry any of your opponent's weight and also timing is not important here. If you use leg lift on his left leg (you do need to carry his weight) and forward kick on his right leg while his left leg is still in the air (timing is important here), you can throw him beautifully (but don't use it against your friend).

it is hard to do a lot of throws because they can get lower easier.

The moment that you see your opponent bend his leg, the moment that you use "outer twist", there is almost no way for him to escape out of it (outer twist has no counter). To have long leg do have some advantage.

[tiltpoint]

Deus, here's another move for that series of yours.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGtt08OZNVQ

[tiltpoint]

Sorry:

[wiesiek]

thanks JW
in sporty judo mach you can`t kick
/"spring" goes into "kick" category i think/