salcanzonieri wrote:The reason the Shuai Jiao doesn't have joint locks and so on is a historical reason.
In the far past, Emperors sons (princes) used to enter Shuai Jiao tournaments and it was thus forbidden to hurt the opponent. The princes were incognito, so you never knew who was a prince or not.
Also, the art of Shuai Jiao was considered a sophisticated art of takedowns, and did not need joint locks etc. it was considered low class.
Most Northern CMA have Shui Jiao techniques incorporated into their style, which was high level. Lower level joint locks and so on were taught in middle level.
But the aspiration was to reach high level skill to use takedowns without grabbing (because your grab, they grab you, then you grab them again, and they grab you again, etc).
Very high level was to overcome opponent by evading them and letting them trap themselves (which tai chi is supposed to do?)
Its like this in old Shaolin, which has many influences from many other CMA arts, esp Shuai Jiao. You can see this in Japanese version of Shaolin (Shorinji kempo), which is less forms based and more takedowns based.
salcanzonieri wrote:The reason the Shuai Jiao doesn't have joint locks and so on is a historical reason.
In the far past, Emperors sons (princes) used to enter Shuai Jiao tournaments and it was thus forbidden to hurt the opponent. The princes were incognito, so you never knew who was a prince or not.
Also, the art of Shuai Jiao was considered a sophisticated art of takedowns, and did not need joint locks etc. it was considered low class.
Most Northern CMA have Shui Jiao techniques incorporated into their style, which was high level. Lower level joint locks and so on were taught in middle level.
But the aspiration was to reach high level skill to use takedowns without grabbing (because your grab, they grab you, then you grab them again, and they grab you again, etc).
Very high level was to overcome opponent by evading them and letting them trap themselves (which tai chi is supposed to do?)
Its like this in old Shaolin, which has many influences from many other CMA arts, esp Shuai Jiao. You can see this in Japanese version of Shaolin (Shorinji kempo), which is less forms based and more takedowns based.
Bao wrote:Shuai jiao doesn't have joint locks because it's just a one-on-one sport where you score points on throwing each other. Simple as that.
BruceP wrote:John, do you and your guys do much work in long sleeves?
johnwang wrote:Joint locking is allowed to use in sport SC. In sport SC, you use
If your opponent hangs on and refuses to release his grip, it can turn into a joint lock.
Maintaining control over your opponent, such as by holding them in a dominant position, may earn you points over time.
Bao wrote:I guess jointlocks could be a part of "Maintaining control" ...
wayne hansen wrote:Joint locking IS a part of tai chi pushing
wayne hansen wrote:Joint locking IS a part of tai chi pushing
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