origami_itto wrote:Why does Shaui Jian not have qinna or striking or submission holds?
It's individual's responsibility to complete his toolbox. One should not be restricted by the MA system that he is training.
origami_itto wrote:Why does Shaui Jian not have qinna or striking or submission holds?
johnwang wrote:origami_itto wrote:Why does Shaui Jian not have qinna or striking or submission holds?
It's individual's responsibility to complete his toolbox.
origami_itto wrote:But that's not the question you're asking. You're asking "Why does Tai Chi Push hands not have _____"
Shaui Jiao competition doesn't have striking or qinna or submission holds or any sort of weapons considerations. An individual has to tack those on to their individual practice if they want to study them, right?
johnwang wrote:origami_itto wrote:But that's not the question you're asking. You're asking "Why does Tai Chi Push hands not have _____"
Shaui Jiao competition doesn't have striking or qinna or submission holds or any sort of weapons considerations. An individual has to tack those on to their individual practice if they want to study them, right?
If you are a Taiji teacher, who is going to prevent you from integrating "leg skill" into your Taiji PH training?
johnwang wrote:origami_itto wrote:But that's not the question you're asking. You're asking "Why does Tai Chi Push hands not have _____"
Shaui Jiao competition doesn't have striking or qinna or submission holds or any sort of weapons considerations. An individual has to tack those on to their individual practice if they want to study them, right?
If you are a Taiji teacher, who is going to prevent you from integrating "leg skill" into your Taiji PH training? If you don't do that integration task, who is going to do that task for you?
origami_itto wrote:johnwang wrote:origami_itto wrote:But that's not the question you're asking. You're asking "Why does Tai Chi Push hands not have _____"
Shaui Jiao competition doesn't have striking or qinna or submission holds or any sort of weapons considerations. An individual has to tack those on to their individual practice if they want to study them, right?
If you are a Taiji teacher, who is going to prevent you from integrating "leg skill" into your Taiji PH training?
The intention of the training. "Leg skill" is not the goal of Push Hands training. Gaining control of the body from one point of contact is the goal. It's hard, you start throwing in more variables then you're just going to miss it. Just like if you start throwing weapons into your shaui jiao throw training, at a certain point it just makes more sense to deal with the weapon and stop worrying about the shaui jiao.
What is it you're trying to train? Be clear and don't round the edges.
origami_itto wrote:What is it you're trying to train? Be clear and don't round the edges.
origami_itto wrote:But that's not the question you're asking. You're asking "Why does Tai Chi Push hands not have _____"
johnwang wrote:twocircles13 wrote:You are right, at 0:13, Hong could have swept the opponent’s leg. However, at that point he is teaching and demonstrating a push hands drill, so sweeping the leg would have defeated the purpose of the exercise.
What's the reason that Taiji push hand training does not include "leg skill" training such as foot sweep, scoop, shin bite, ...? If a Taiji person doesn't train such skill in push hand, when will he train it?
From the combat point of view, do you think "leg skill" should be included in the Taiji PH training?
johnwang wrote:origami_itto wrote:But that's not the question you're asking. You're asking "Why does Tai Chi Push hands not have _____"
This has been discussed in the past.
If Taiji PH is the beginner level training that does not include "leg skill" training, then what is the intermediate level Taiji training and advance level Taiji training?
If Taiji PH is the beginner level training that does not include "leg skill" training, then what is the intermediate level Taiji training and advance level Taiji training?
If leg skill is so important, why isn't it included in Greco-Roman wrestling? Maybe some arts don't use it because there are other types of combat and take-downs that use other types of body mechanics?
johnwang wrote:origami_itto wrote:What is it you're trying to train? Be clear and don't round the edges.
To control my opponent's leg is my goal. I first try to get my opponent's leading leg, if my opponent escapes, I try to get his other leg. After I can control my opponent's leg, I then apply my hand skill (such as a push or a pull).
"After" is the key word.
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