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Maybe it was just an English translation that they thought would be more understandable to those at the time .
Donno.

” Grandmaster Chan was actually a close friend, classmate, and training partner of the late famous Bruce Lee.”

Also exhibited a A lot of what might be called dynamic tension in his movies

Anyone who trained WC In those days was a classmate of BL
there was only one school in HK
One Sydney teacher changed his name from Leong to Lee and claimed he was Bruce’s brother
His mechanics don’t seem to be real good

windwalker wrote: dynamic tension

What is "dynamic tension" in your opinion? Are there other CMA systems use that method? It's hard to image that you can generate power by tense your muscle and then release it. I'm sure tense is different from compress. But compress is relaxed which is the opposite of tensing.

johnwang wrote:

windwalker wrote: dynamic tension

A: What is "dynamic tension" in your opinion?

B: Are there other CMA systems use that method?

It's hard to image that you can generate power by tense your muscle and then release it. I'm sure tense is different from compress. But compress is relaxed which is the opposite of tensing.

A: Donno, it's what they called it in their practice...

B: Hung Gar, has something that looks similar called iron wire...
done in combination with different sounds.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bih6NGniU7A

windwalker wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bih6NGniU7A

I have to say that I truly don't understand this kind of power generation - lock knees when punch.

This is what I'm used to do.

johnwang wrote:I have to say that I truly don't understand this kind of power generation - lock knees when punch.

This is what I'm used to do.

https://i.postimg.cc/zB86VFrk/long-fist ... ning-1.gif

You have the answer in the description of the vid:
"the Iron Thread set was designed for strength enrichment , not so much for fighting skills."

It's a powerful exercise, very demanding through the coordination of breath work and sounds. From what I have understood, you can really develop good strength, but you don't practice footwork, strategies, or even combination of techniques necessary for fighting skills.

SPM is the best example of dynamic tension
The way Iron Wire kune was explained to me was
The meridians were like guitar strings that vibrated with the sounds to vibrate the organs
Yes not all Hung Gar is about just combat it is a very internal art
The last clip seems to be 6 Strength kune from white crane

wayne hansen wrote:SPM is the best example of dynamic tension...

In this forum, we have never compared the

- northern CMA (such as Baji, Chen taiji, XYLH) power generation, and
- southern CMA (such as WC, SPM, Hong Ga) power generation.

It will be interested to give a comparison. I have to admit that I have no idea how the southern CMA power generation may work.

Might help to explain a little of S-mantis...
Good friend of mine Roger Haygood.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C23zS0s6nE

Interesting enough Adam Mizner
had a back ground in S-Mantis before dropping it for taiji

At times for those who know about S-mantis they might see some of the influence in his work...
must have been quite hard to make the change..

In this forum, we have never compared the

- northern CMA (such as Baji, Chen taiji, XYLH) power generation, and
- southern CMA (such as WC, SPM, Hong Ga) power generation.

It will be interested to give a comparison. I have to admit that I have no idea how the southern CMA power generation may work.

Southern styles have different types of power generation. The main power generation method in Hung Gar is by transitioning from one stance to another. From mabu to bow stance etc. Basic Shaolin theory really.

Just as in White Crane and other southern styles, Hung Gar also uses the power from the back, by engaging the scapula and stretching out the movements from the spine. Also similar to northern styles.

Otoh, you have things as what became hyped as "splashing hands", something that looks very loose, relaxed and fast. But this was actually derived from Mok Gar, an art quite similar to Hung Gar and usually considered a very compact style with deep stances.

So in the individual southern arts you can also find big variations in the different methods to generate power.

In this southern CMA video, at 0.20, he sinks into horse stance and then punch several times without moving his legs.



In this northern CMA video, at 0.03, he sinks into horse stance and punches at the same time. Even he doesn't move his feet when he does more punches, he changes from horse stance into bow-arrow stance (he doesn't stay in horse stance to do the rest of punches).



There must be a good reason that both form creators created both forms differently. IMO, almost all northern CMA systems use the 2nd method instead - try to avoid only move the upper body without moving the low body. I have not seen any northern CMA form that "freeze the low body and punch multiple times".

You’re talking about two different things methods to develop power or energy, and strategy that employee the power energy developed.

For example, developing something like burning hand or iron palm. The development practices are quite different from actual usage, although in demonstrations, it can be misleading because of the type of demonstrations that people do showing the power .

As with taiji demo’s showing the different types of power that can be developed. It’s not the usage .

windwalker wrote:You’re talking about two different things methods to develop power or energy, ...

Is there truly more than 1 way to generate power? I only know the "compress and release" method. Without compress, there will be no release.



Leg bend - compress.
Legs straight - release.

I don’t know yang people who generate that sort of energy but I know plenty of Karate people who do it better
Yang fa Jin is different that’s all

wayne hansen wrote:I don’t know yang people who generate that sort of energy but I know plenty of Karate people who do it better
Yang fa Jin is different that’s all

Yang Taiji "brush knee twist step" is "compress and release".