origami_itto wrote:I think there is a lot of temptation to say "this is what this move means" and then frame your practice around that. I think that GM Chang took that approach to his Taijiquan and it served him well, but I believe it is at a variance to the "original taijiquan" and winds up cultivating a slightly different skill set ultimately, but it's close enough to not matter much, particularly when so few exemplars of "authentic" taijiquan exist to show a better method.
Like I played around a very little bit with one of (John Wang's kungfu brother under GM Chang) Dave Picken's students/teachers under him and he would absolutely wipe the floor with 99% of the Taijiquan folks I know in open competition and probably push hands too, so...
vadaga wrote:origami_itto wrote:I think there is a lot of temptation to say "this is what this move means" and then frame your practice around that. I think that GM Chang took that approach to his Taijiquan and it served him well, but I believe it is at a variance to the "original taijiquan" and winds up cultivating a slightly different skill set ultimately, but it's close enough to not matter much, particularly when so few exemplars of "authentic" taijiquan exist to show a better method.
Like I played around a very little bit with one of (John Wang's kungfu brother under GM Chang) Dave Picken's students/teachers under him and he would absolutely wipe the floor with 99% of the Taijiquan folks I know in open competition and probably push hands too, so...
IIRC A friend of mine is also a student of Dave Pickens... (just texted him to confirm) it seemed like they had a very broad skillset in that school including some white crane stuff, shuai jiao, taiji, longfist, weapons etc. I remember when we were in Japan that the local judo club basically gave him a black belt on the spot when he started practicing with them.
windwalker wrote:Many people cannot meet the requirements, regardless of the speed of their practice when examined..
often reinforced in competitive push hands competitions....
Hard to help them to correct their practice for those interested, when what they do tends to work in the competitions
often does not in meeting others with skill sets based on a different idea, different focus...
johnwang wrote:Should Taiji training be always slow? Should Taiji also have fast training?
windwalker wrote:Many people cannot meet the requirements, regardless of the speed of their practice when examined..
often reinforced in competitive push hands competitions....
windwalker wrote:Hard to help them to correct their practice for those interested, when what they do tends to work in the competitions
often does not in meeting others with skill sets based on a different idea, different focus...
windwalker wrote:The mind has no speed limit.
Takes a while to understand what “qi” leads the body means.
“First in mind “ as to why the practice in general is slow
Doc Stier wrote:something which they think they already know, even when their experience against others with greater skill repeatedly proves that they don't, revealing a huge gap between their assumed intellectual understanding and their actual practical application capability.
Appledog wrote:Wait, so people are starting to realize that the one long slow form (or worse, one short slow form) is maybe 20% of what you need to get good at Tai Chi?
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