wayne hansen wrote:My mistake there I got two threads mixed up
I was referring to the clip with origami and the guy trying to cling onto his upper arm
Appledog wrote:So far nobody seems to understand what I meant, although windwalker almost got it for a second a few posts ago. So I will give two examples. One of inside to outside and one of outside to inside.
Stand in the Michaelangelo pose. Bend your arm at the elbow -- try to only move on the elbow. Is this a whole body internal movement?
If you say the answer is no, then the question becomes why not?
That is to say, not "why not" for the obvious, external reason -- but why didn't you make it a whole body internal movement? Can you make it a whole body internal movement but only "move" on the elbow?
Example two; any circular silk reeling exercise. This is intended to be some kind of whole body circular motion. But is it, really? Can you willingly make it noncircular and nonwholebody but give the impression that you are doing it? What is more likely, obvioulsy, is you are not doing it properly, and there will be some kind of qi blockage affecting your movement... But, if not, could you sabotage it intentionally?
A to B or B to A, in the middle is a harmonization of qi inside the body which justifies the movement -- if you want there to be.
Appledog wrote:So far nobody seems to understand what I meant, although windwalker almost got it for a second a few posts ago. So I will give two examples. One of inside to outside and one of outside to inside.
Stand in the Michaelangelo pose. Bend your arm at the elbow -- try to only move on the elbow. Is this a whole body internal movement?
If you say the answer is no, then the question becomes why not?
That is to say, not "why not" for the obvious, external reason -- but why didn't you make it a whole body internal movement? Can you make it a whole body internal movement but only "move" on the elbow?
Giles wrote:I dunno what the pose is, but no matter where my arm is: if in my mind I isolate or 'disconnect' my arm from the rest of my body and then move only the elbow - then this results in a certain sensation and I might call it "external". Of course I feel the rest of my body, it's still alive and doing its stuff, but with respect to the bending of the elbow it's kind of "out to lunch". Then if I do what from the outside, to a casual observer, would seem like the same movement but I connect/engage the rest of my body - down through the feet, up through the crown and all around - then the sensation is very different. Now I can feel things (gently, subtly) shifting, meshing through my body, although I think only a very experienced observer would be able to tell the difference. I don't try to move explicitly through my body, the connection just feels different if I let it happen. Calling this an "internal" movement seems reasonable to me. It doesn't mean I can then send a grown man flying with a flick of the finger, but generally speaking I might generate a different force and achieve different results using this "internal" connection in a whole range of movements.
Giles wrote:Appledog wrote:So far nobody seems to understand what I meant, although windwalker almost got it for a second a few posts ago. So I will give two examples. One of inside to outside and one of outside to inside.
Stand in the Michaelangelo pose. Bend your arm at the elbow -- try to only move on the elbow. Is this a whole body internal movement?
If you say the answer is no, then the question becomes why not?
That is to say, not "why not" for the obvious, external reason -- but why didn't you make it a whole body internal movement? Can you make it a whole body internal movement but only "move" on the elbow?
I dunno what the pose is, but no matter where my arm is: if in my mind I isolate or 'disconnect' my arm from the rest of my body and then move only the elbow - then this results in a certain sensation and I might call it "external". Of course I feel the rest of my body, it's still alive and doing its stuff, but with respect to the bending of the elbow it's kind of "out to lunch". Then if I do what from the outside, to a casual observer, would seem like the same movement but I connect/engage the rest of my body - down through the feet, up through the crown and all around - then the sensation is very different. Now I can feel things (gently, subtly) shifting, meshing through my body, although I think only a very experienced observer would be able to tell the difference. I don't try to move explicitly through my body, the connection just feels different if I let it happen. Calling this an "internal" movement seems reasonable to me. It doesn't mean I can then send a grown man flying with a flick of the finger, but generally speaking I might generate a different force and achieve different results using this "internal" connection in a whole range of movements.
Appledog wrote:
Now, Bruce Lee said that the shortest line between points is a straight line -- not a circle. So perhaps we have been doing it wrong all this time. Thoughts?
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