Appledog wrote:What is the purpose of the foot stomp in Chen style Tai Chi, and pounding the fist? This move also appears in some "Shaolin Temple" and Chang Quan styles. Where does it come from? As I can figure, stomping the weight is related to weight shift and creating a root. But the fist is a complete mystery to me.
As a side topic, why did Feng Zhi-Qiang add a vertical circle before pounding the fist? Thanks for any opinions.
Appledog wrote:What is the purpose of the foot stomp in Chen style Tai Chi, and pounding the fist? This move also appears in some "Shaolin Temple" and Chang Quan styles. Where does it come from? As I can figure, stomping the weight is related to weight shift and creating a root. But the fist is a complete mystery to me.
As a side topic, why did Feng Zhi-Qiang add a vertical circle before pounding the fist? Thanks for any opinions.
15 feet
twocircles13 wrote:Appledog wrote:What is the purpose of the foot stomp in Chen style Tai Chi, and pounding the fist? This move also appears in some "Shaolin Temple" and Chang Quan styles. Where does it come from? As I can figure, stomping the weight is related to weight shift and creating a root. But the fist is a complete mystery to me.
As a side topic, why did Feng Zhi-Qiang add a vertical circle before pounding the fist? Thanks for any opinions.
To @Charles’ excellent and thorough answer, I’d to add two applications.
The Launch: During the opening movements, If you’ve grasped the opponent's right wrist with your right hand and control his right elbow with your left palm, during the step out of the left leg you jerk him open into a spear and during the step up, you launch him across the room. We used to practice to see how far and high we could get people in the air. The average was about 15 feet horizontal and maybe 20 inches vertical. I’ve heard of farther and higher. If it’s done correctly, the opponent lands off balance and “runs” backward trying to regain his balance.
Besides just fun, the exercise taught a lot about partner manipulation, balance, and power generation. You could use this in push hands. I am not sure you’d ever use this in a self-defense situation, it's not damaging enough.
Some tips: Your partner cannot cooperate. He has to fight you and supply his force to turn against him. When you step up, you need to think compressing into a ball while balancing the pole running through his arms to use his and generate your own power.
The Throw: There’s a really effective throw too, but it lands people on their heads. I executed it correctly just once. I thought I had killed my practice partner. Now, I just start the throw, pull back, and catch the person. I wrote the instructions out, but then realized I didn’t want the moral liability if someone actually used it and hurt somebody.
The English translation of this name is awful, but it beats Buddha’s Stamp, which was an early alternative. The lore behind the name is really interesting. I call this movement, Jingang pounds the pestle or leave it Chinese. Jingang Dao Dui. It’s not like it’s a complex name.
Appledog wrote:pounding the fist?
twocircles13 wrote:...you jerk him open into a spear...
twocircles13 wrote:The Throw: There’s a really effective throw too, but it lands people on their heads. I executed it correctly just once. I thought I had killed my practice partner. Now, I just start the throw, pull back, and catch the person. I wrote the instructions out, but then realized I didn’t want the moral liability if someone actually used it and hurt somebody.
Bob wrote:adam hsu chen tai chi chuan usage part I
Appledog wrote:Bob wrote:adam hsu chen tai chi chuan usage part I
I like Adam Hsu. He teaches a kind of push hands where the goal is to cross one arm overtop of the other, the application of which he shows in the above video. However, I've never seen this kind of push hands in my end of the woods. I have seen it frequently in Taiwan (which could be a testament to Adam Hsu's teaching career). Does anyone know more about this cross-over application and why it seems to be so partisan? Thanks
everything wrote:15 feet
on a side note, is this actually possible? or just an exaggeration? or bad judge of distance? a top level standing long jump (you propelling yourself) would be shorter. I guess if you throw a tiny human, you can throw that person pretty far. but if the human is heavier than you, it doesn't seem possible to throw that human farther than you can jump.
here is a world record in throwing a human, but the thrower is much larger, and the thrown human seems small.
4 cheerleaders tossed one "flyer" cheerleader something like 18 feet high for a world record.
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