johnwang wrote:edededed wrote:Who were the other 3 of the "4 good looking guys" in modern Chinese history? (I am guessing that Mao Zedong was not one of them...)
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汪精卫
张学良
周恩来
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Steve James wrote:True, no one was learning jian to fight in the 20th century. Most people weren't learning tcc to fight in the 20th century.
Trick wrote:Other of YCF’s indoor disciples practiced sword sparring, for example Li Yaxuan. I don’t think it’s unthinkable that YCF knew how to spar white a sword, and as they say - it’s an extension of the arm.
origami_itto wrote:Steve James wrote:True, no one was learning jian to fight in the 20th century. Most people weren't learning tcc to fight in the 20th century.
The dao is for actually fighting, the jian is about training the yi and extending the qi.
Bob wrote:Trick wrote:Other of YCF’s indoor disciples practiced sword sparring, for example Li Yaxuan. I don’t think it’s unthinkable that YCF knew how to spar white a sword, and as they say - it’s an extension of the arm.
It raises an interesting question as from whom did Zheng Manqing learn his sword two person drills - I don't recall him discussing much about the how and when he learned his sword practice.
origami_itto wrote:The dao is for actually fighting, the jian is about training the yi and extending the qi.
Bao wrote:origami_itto wrote:The dao is for actually fighting, the jian is about training the yi and extending the qi.
So the jian is not for actual use? Wow, that's probably the most bizarre thing I've ever read on this board.
Many Tonbei Quan masters were involved in training the troops. My teacher talked to some of them during the 70’s and 80’s. According to those masters, the techniques they devised and taught to the general troops where no more than 10. In fact most of the time only one technique was used – a powerful upward sweep to knock (磕) the incoming bayonette away, and at the top, reverse course for a powerful cut (砍) downward toward the neck.
So effective were these simple weapons and techniques, the Japanese military actually devised a neck protector – a folding metal collar that is attached to the helmet. But it proved to be too weak for practical usage.
Since the da dao weighed 4-5 pounds, when swung, it has more than enough momentum to knock away a thrusting rifle bayonet. In Chinese martial art we say
“a 1 once weight when swung generate a 10 pound force”. Historians note that in European history, most single-handed weapons, like the axe, weighed only 3-5 pounds.
origami_itto wrote:The context where Taiji jian is relevant is very limited.
Fantasy fencing duels and larping, let's be honest.
Throughout history, single blade swords have reigned supreme.
Bao wrote:
It definitely has its use, good use and its own advantages in the right context. If you don't get it, then you don't get it. I couldn't care less whatever. Just throwing out some genuine information so others won't be misguided by your ignorant BS.
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