Why thé death of master yang Cheng fu mysterious?

[wayne hansen]

PS even though he uses Huangs 5 and does his double ended pole form
His only connection with Huang was to teach one of Huangs inside students who showed him the forms above and Huangs set pushing exercises
Which he then taught the student how to use
The student taught Tony Ward

[D_Glenn]

Maybe you should calm down, and stop reading what upsets you...
Don't promote anything,,,only offer fist hand accounts sharing some thoughts and experience...
for those that might be interested....

Maybe you should stop trolling me. I only read the posts where you quote me and ask ridiculous questions and badger me for to film video to somehow back up mere statements and opinions that I make. I too only write about my first hand experiences for those that might be interested. I wouldn’t even be writing anything if there was anyone else writing about Fali and the Mao side of the IMA. I’m filling a gap in information. A 1% contribution to offset the 99% of posts about Yang style push hands.

[windwalker]

Maybe you should stop trolling me. I only read the posts where you quote me and ask ridiculous questions and badger me for to film video to somehow back up mere statements and opinions that I make.

I too only write about my first hand experiences for those that might be interested.

I wouldn’t even be writing anything if there was anyone else writing about Fali and the Mao side of the IMA. I’m filling a gap in information. A 1% contribution to offset the 99% of posts about Yang style push hands.

Trolling, really ...

"badger" I ask everyone for clips of what they write about.
Ask Wayne

A good way to understand what is written from the level of the person writing it...in the 21st century


In your writing you seem to make an attempt to say what you write about holds true for other arts like taiji...
IME not really the case.

It's your understanding at this point in time, something interesting to read,
hence the questions for clarification try to understand your meaning...

Even among taiji stylist depending on level of practice and what is practiced meanings can be quite different...
Video clips might help to clarify it

Good writing for yourself, and sharing your experience's...
I'm sure many as with Wayne's writing will appreciate it....

[wayne hansen]

Not sure what u mean there

[windwalker]

Not sure what u mean there

you both feel you have contribution's to share...
that video or no, should be shared....

While I might not agree with some view points.
with out current clips of what is being discussed makes
the point rather academic...

Itto and JW, one of the few to put their work out there.
regardless of whether one agrees with it or not..

Kudos to them for doing so.

[wayne hansen]

There we differ

[D_Glenn]

what happens to them if they get assaulted on the street but they only trained to stand in one place, and not use their legs? Shuai Jiao is the mother of all CMA. Isn’t it a bit disingenuous to the student to implant the idea that they can be masterful and only use high level skills when they only have a low level of skill?

What I don't understand is why people think 1 point push is "high level skill"?

If you can grab on your opponent's arm, your body and your opponent's body are connected as one unit. There is no way that you can push him away. So, if a simple "wrist grab" is the counter for "push" then push truly has no combat value at all. There is a good reason that Taiji people don't want to talk about "grab". Because in their mind the grabbing is a low-level skill and their opponent will never do that.

I facetiously wrote “High level” because of Windwalker’s post:

in the demo he is using his legs, just not in the way you'er thinking...

there is a saying " the highest level of movement is no movement"

If one can send his Energy, power, ect through the other they have control of the whole body....
different idea then hooking / biting / part of the body.

one of the ideas behind the practice of PH to be able to develop this from one point of contact...

If not stepping is high level then my martial art practice is the lowest level, like sewage level, dungeon level. Our credo is if you’re being assaulted and you don’t know what to do, the best thing you can do is to at least take a step. Fixed step push hands is contradictory in Yin style bagua because it’s going against our base instinct in how we train for self defense.

[wayne hansen]

Fixed step pushing serves a purpose
We also do it with no warding off
It is to train flexibility in the body and to remove the target being attacked
It is also to correct faults within the body
Think of it as standing massage or chiro

It is only one step in the process of graduated skill sets to reach a point
The locked on hard forward stance battles of brute strength and trickery the pass for fixed step these days will get you killed if your opponent holds a knife
In our school we say
Tai chi for yielding
Ba kua for stepping
Hsing I for striking
I can understand why a Ba kua man would not like fixed step

[johnwang]

If not stepping is high level then my martial art practice is the lowest level,

I think the stationary Taiji PH may build up bad habit for people. The moving step PH should be used instead.

[D_Glenn]

Wayne, I’ve probably asked this before but is that the TST school of Hsu Hong Chi?

[D_Glenn]

What about the beginner in Huang taiji, what happens to them if they get assaulted on the street but they only trained to stand in one place, and not use their legs? Shuai Jiao is the mother of all CMA. Isn’t it a bit disingenuous to the student to implant the idea that they can be masterful and only use high level skills when they only have a low level of skill?

I mean, what happens to anybody in any art if they meet with an encounter that demands skill they haven't gotten yet? How long is a piece of string?

It's disingenuous to take one piece of training in isolation and hold it up as the system as a whole. There's always a "what if".

Like... "what if you only know xingyi and you have to punch somebody but don't have room to take a step?"

You hear how dumb that sounds?

Yes. It’s an absurd question. But it’s a response to an even more absurd statement that in the Huang school they don’t train ankle hooking and shin biting because they can do all that through 1 point of contact.

[wayne hansen]

[url][/url]Yes the Sydney branch under Dean Rainer
I should point out Dean was originally under Hung I Hsiang
Later he bought Hung and his son to Australia to renew the relationship
My student Geoff Ewin also spent a few years with master HSU before he came back to train with me

[johnwang]

they don’t train ankle hooking and shin biting because they can do all that through 1 point of contact.

If one doesn't train "leg skill", he won't have leg skill.

One of my students wants to get his 4th degree BB certificate. My assignment to him is to:

- Integrate "leg skill" into 108 moves Taiji form.
- Change 108 move Taiji form from constant speed into vary speed - slow, fast, slow, fast, ....

I told him that since "brush knee twist step" has been repeated many times in the form, he should integrate different leg skill for each brush knee twist step - diagonal cut, sickle hook, inner hook, outer hook, ....

I do believe his research can benefit Taiji. 100 years from today, all "leg skill" will exist in the Taiji system. Will that be nice? My teacher wanted to do this task. He didn't do it. I wanted to do this task also. But I didn't do it. Now I hope my next generation will complete this task.

[BruceP]

My teacher wanted to do this task. He didn't do it. I wanted to do this task also. But I didn't do it. Now I hope my next generation will complete this task.

That's awesome, John

[BruceP]

What about the beginner in Huang taiji, what happens to them if they get assaulted on the street but they only trained to stand in one place, and not use their legs? Shuai Jiao is the mother of all CMA. Isn’t it a bit disingenuous to the student to implant the idea that they can be masterful and only use high level skills when they only have a low level of skill?

Welcome to the low-level world of training people whose occupations present the possibility of being physically assaulted on a daily basis, and/or people who want to test the basic fighting method(s) in something a little more intense than push hands, against a wider range of tactical problems and challenges.

In order for something - anything - to be 'practical', it has to be tested. That's the only way it can be made repeatable for an individual, and from individual to individual.

Basic fighting method...