Names In Sword Form

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Names In Sword Form

Postby Steve Rowe on Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:39 am

Was just going through the Yang Sword Form names on Gin Soon Chu's website and I can relate the names to the movements and most are self explanatory except 2 - Roll Up The Curtain and Leap Over The Hurdle - Can anyone help?

Yang Style Tai Chi Sword Form

Beginning Form
The immortal points out the road
Three rings encircle the moon
Great star of the dipper
Swallow nips the water
Intercept and sweep: left and right
Lesser star of the dipper
Swallow return to the nest
Nimble cat catches the mouse
Phoenix lift the head
The whirlwind
Wasp enters the cave
Phoenix spreads both wings
Lesser star of the dipper
Fishing posture
Sweep the grass and search for snake (dragon walking)
Hundard birds flying to the forest
Black dragon wags tail
Green dragon came out from the water
Wind rolls up the lotus leaf
Lion shakes head
The tigers hold its head
Wild horse leaps over the mountain torrent
Reverse body and rein in the horse
The compass needle
Face the wind to brush off the dust
Follow the torrent to push the boat
The meteor chase the moon
Skylark flies over the sky
Roll up the curtain
The cartwheel sword
Swallow holds mud in mouth
Great Roc Spreads winds
Scoop up the moon from the bottom of the sea
Embrace the moon
Yaksha searches the sea
Rhinoceros gazes at the moon
Shoot the wild goose
Green dragon puts out claws
Phoenix spreads both wings
Leap over the hurdle
Shoot the wild goose
White ape offers fruits
Falling flowers
Jade maiden threads the shuttle
White tiger twists tail
Carp leaps over the dragon gate
Black dragon twists pillar
The immortal points out the road
One increase pointing toward the sky
The wind sweeps the plum flower
Holding the ceremonial tablet
Return sword to the original position
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Re: Names In Sword Form

Postby wayne hansen on Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:40 am

I learnt leap over the hurdle as intercept left and right
Raise the curtain Is just a lifting move with the hilt of the sword to the right while lifting the left foot to the opponents knee
I find quite a few of his names not very clear in English to explain the move they describe
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Re: Names In Sword Form

Postby Steve Rowe on Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:36 pm

Thanks Wayne - that makes sense for 'raise the curtain' which just leaves 'leap the hurdle'.
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Re: Names In Sword Form

Postby wayne hansen on Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:21 am

Like I said the movement done at that point in my form is intercept left and right
Intercept left and right is a horizontal strike with the hilt or a sideways draw of the blade across the opponents wrist
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Re: Names In Sword Form

Postby taiwandeutscher on Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:55 am

Tiaolianshi 挑簾式 Position of lifting the curtain (with the sword), in my form done to the east, blocking upwards with the hilt, followed with a cut upwards

The 2nd one, I do not recognize, but after the phoenix, we have something called Zuoyou kualan 左右跨攔, which we translate as left & right straddling cuts, once done to the north, to the left side, then once to the east, to the right side, horizontal, like Wayne said above.
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Re: Names In Sword Form

Postby Steve Rowe on Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:37 am

Thanks guys - putting it through translate software it comes out as 'left and right hurdles' which makes sense as the position of the sword does create a kind of hurdle toward the opponent.
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Re: Names In Sword Form

Postby taiwandeutscher on Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:09 am

I'm not a native English speaker, but lan is a verb, meaning "impede, obstruct, hinder, block".
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Re: Names In Sword Form

Postby yeniseri on Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:34 am

Even though the original writings are equal, the modern equivalent tends to use words as block, cut, parry, etc since the classical translation tends to be literal in translation.
Immortal jumping at the moon or big dipper falling in the sky, etc tends to be obviously vague while cluelessness becomes the work of the day ;D
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Re: Names In Sword Form

Postby wayne hansen on Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:52 am

As my form comes from yue Kwong in HK the names were explained quite precisely in English and were very descriptive ot the energy used
I can now see how the word hurdles apples to hinder left and right
You are presenting a hurdle for your opponent to jump directly in front of your body
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