is one hour zhan zhuang a good pedagogy?

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Re: is one hour zhan zhuang a good pedagogy?

Postby bartekb on Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:56 am

ima based on daoism and daoism is based on non-action

sounds like the best daoist would be a dead one
if not age will force you too

or not:)
(guy on a video is approx 67yo)
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Re: is one hour zhan zhuang a good pedagogy?

Postby Strange on Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:17 am

many ppl here have many clever talking
unfortunately this thing is for doing, really not so much talking
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Re: is one hour zhan zhuang a good pedagogy?

Postby RobP2 on Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:25 am

Strange wrote:many ppl here have many clever talking
unfortunately this thing is for doing, really not so much talking


Yes, but I have done it - that's why i felt qualified to talk about it. And my answer to the OP is "no"
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Re: is one hour zhan zhuang a good pedagogy?

Postby Strange on Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:49 am

hur hur hur
its a discussion
and my advice is for betterment and improvement

its not say that you give your rejection will mean anything much
in the first place, i did not ask for your approval
so funny :D
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Re: is one hour zhan zhuang a good pedagogy?

Postby RobP2 on Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:52 am

I know it is a discussion
My advice is also for betterment and improvement, based on considerable experience
Its not to say your acceptance means anything much
I don't need your approval
I've seen funnier things
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Re: is one hour zhan zhuang a good pedagogy?

Postby Strange on Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:01 am

i thoroughly enjoyed your reply
i must say it is very honest, in that your were seeking approval
which i suspect many are
reason is why though? :D
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Re: is one hour zhan zhuang a good pedagogy?

Postby Strange on Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:21 am

also you are doing mainly systema right?
ZZ have big concern for you?
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Re: is one hour zhan zhuang a good pedagogy?

Postby RobP2 on Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:23 am

Maybe you are missing something here? Prior to Systema I had trained TCC for around 25 years. I've done the hour long ZZ, that was my whole point about speaking from experience. No approval necessary, it's a simple fact
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Re: is one hour zhan zhuang a good pedagogy?

Postby Strange on Wed Jun 15, 2016 5:23 am

it is sad that you used so much time.... without attaining much result
but it does not mean that the thing you cannot do
others won't be able to succeed.
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Re: is one hour zhan zhuang a good pedagogy?

Postby RobP2 on Wed Jun 15, 2016 5:53 am

Oh I achieved results , in myself and others. Just found more effective ways to get those results, that's all
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Re: is one hour zhan zhuang a good pedagogy?

Postby Strange on Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:03 am

its good that you feel that you are achieving results outside of ima
different ppl have different apttitude

but please do not confuse the training regimes of other types of ma with ima where zz is an integral part
it can be a problem with ppl training in different types at the same time
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Re: is one hour zhan zhuang a good pedagogy?

Postby Strange on Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:11 am

take note the original xingyi training was 3 year zz in santi
before starting on the elements

ppl want to be efficiencer
so they skip the zz

they they cuss about the effectiveness of ima
then they go to mma bjj and the like....... to be more efficient

now we are talking ima
do not be confused
because i am not
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Re: is one hour zhan zhuang a good pedagogy?

Postby RobP2 on Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:13 am

There is no confusion and nor was there any training in different types at the same time. You obviously are finding it difficult to accept my views based on my experience. Maybe you could post us something of your own experience, it may be more constructive than this back and forth denial
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Re: is one hour zhan zhuang a good pedagogy?

Postby Strange on Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:28 am

my own experience is that you must do zz
of course, the fact is zz is an integral part of ima, please do not go into denial or confusion
you have already spent 25 years, it is time to understand the facts correctly
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Re: is one hour zhan zhuang a good pedagogy?

Postby RobP2 on Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:41 am

;D ;D ;D it gets so predictable...... ok, happy training :)
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