D_Glenn wrote:Something really important in the article is how Chu says that to actually use taijiquan you have to Yield with your eyes, not after contact. Before any contact happens, you need to stay motionless until the opponent has committed to an attack and is 100% certain that it’s going to succeed, but then nope, they miss. The skill should be so good “That not even a fly could land on you.” My Bagua teacher demonstrates this on me all the time. I was doing some casual sport Shuai Jiao with him and every time I would try to grab his collar or sleeve I was grabbing air. I was so committed that I was digging my fingernails into my own palms. After that he could easily just help me fall. I was losing the match before I even made contact.
First you learn Ting Jin (Listening Skills) from push hands, but then you must go on to refine that into Dong Jin (Understanding/ Knowing Skill).
Steve James wrote:Imo, the difference between ting and dong is the same as between listening and understanding. One is just the ability to retrieve information; the other concerns what one gains from it.
The better the information; the better the chance of correctly interpreting it. For/in application, they are inseparable. But, the better one's ability to gather information, the better one's ability to understand it.
wayne hansen wrote:That does not make sense
One is being added one taken away
Yin/yang
Might as well say 2 flies or two feathers
They are both being added
Bao wrote:First you learn Ting Jin (Listening Skills) from push hands, but then you must go on to refine that into Dong Jin (Understanding/ Knowing Skill).
Tingjin is listening/following by sensitivity, that is what you need for "A feather cannot be added and a fly cannot land"
Dongjn is not refined tingjin. Sensitivity is not even necessary for Dongjin. Dongjin is understanding the opponent's skill and intention, something that starts on distance, even before the opponent starts to move. None of them are a fixed stage or a progress into another, instead both are necessary and both will continue to develop and become more refined.
D_Glenn wrote:wayne hansen wrote:That does not make sense
One is being added one taken away
Yin/yang
Might as well say 2 flies or two feathers
They are both being added
Alight and land are synonyms. They basically mean the same thing. Alight is just a bird perching or landing on something.
I just hate the word ‘alight’, that’s why I prefer the second. And I think this phrase occurs in two different classics.
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